FIFA 21 OS Community Sliders

[Qb]

Quote: Originally Posted by jrnlgrn

Based on the streams I watched last week the tables have been fixed.

Yeah, I watched a ChesnoidGaming stream in which he reviewed all major leagues at the end of the season. They all seemed reasonable, aside from Watford and another demoted team demolishing the Championship. However, in that vid the player ratings were last season's ratings, meaning those were two EPL teams, even if they aren't the strongest. So in that sense, it's kind of encouraging that the ratings are reflected in simulation, right? Also the points totals for winners, 4th place trophy (Arsenal!), and 5/6th places were close to previous IRL season benchmarks.

[ImmortalMindz]

Welp. I'm seriously considering not buying FIFA for the first time in about 15 years. It's just not good enough and I'm finding no satisfaction whatsoever.

I like some of the improvements they've made, and the animations aren't bothering me (yet) like they usually do, but the AI, positioning, and transitional play are just too often piss poor. I'm playing on the highest difficulties and again having little issue scoring easy goals that shouldn't be happening at the highest level.

Out of a couple dozen scored so far, not a single one was quality. I've barely touched FIFA since last winter, and yet I can boot up a new version and dominate from the get go on the highest difficulty. This isn't how it should be. All because of **** AI and a lack of understanding by EA in how football is played at the highest levels.

Might pick this up for PS5, just out of curiosity, but I'm kinda feeling like all my hopes for a quality football game lie with what PES is doing for 2021. There's just too many great gaming alternatives these days to put up with this subpar and outdated game. Sigh. /smh

[Mackrel829]

Quote: Originally Posted by ShanksKop

Since I'm on a time limited trial, I'm only playing kick offs WC, 7 min halves and assisted/semi and manual headers, default sliders. When it comes to AI crossing, the better the team, the more they cross, or actually make good decisions on passing to CM/CAM who then either dribbles or passes to ST in the middle. But I agree, there are few AI crossses, but I haven't experienced the endless AI dribbling on the wing, which I saw on some of Matt10's streaming.

I've definitely experienced it as well. When I first started noticing it, I started intentionally giving CPU wingers space to cross and they just straight up refused. I know very little about game coding but I imagine this must be very simple to patch.

I'd hope and expect to see this addressed in one of the first updates.

[jrnlgrn]

PSA: If you're playing on legendary or ultimate difficulty turn off competitor mode. It's on by default. Unless you like watching the CPU do skill moves for no reason then just leave it on.

[Matt10]

Changelog & Updates:

Timestamp: 10/03/2020 | 10:45 AM CST --- Established a bit more look for a solid set the last couple days. Taking a lot of the FIFA 20, Version 3, set because a lot of similarities are present with FIFA 21.

The main focus here is to get more midfield again. I'm genuinely surprised with how different the game is from the beta - it's a bit disappointing. There were a number issues in the beta, but the way the CPU played was vastly different than how it is now. For example, the chipped balls to the midfield are quite route one - so that needed to be addressed.

Next, and probably the worst, is the fact the CPU will not cross the ball a lot of the time. I spent the better part of 2 days in trying to isolate the trigger point, but there is nothing in the sliders, controls, difficulty, settings or squad file that fixes this issue. I have fed it back to EA, among with the other big issue, which is something that was apparent in FIFA 20 as well due to 1v1 defending - and that is the midfielders do not track back. As a result, you never get the proper bank in front of the defense, so there's never a sense of building numbers defensively. As a result, no matter what, it's 6 v 4 situations (unless you have a back 5), and it just completely ruins the immersion when you see your two central midfielders and wingers not tracking back - just standing there. This is why some values chosen are significantly different than default - and quite high in respect to any intent of using default values.

In the end, it's FIFA. We signed up for this. You knew what you were getting yourself into, didn't you? I know I did. Hope you're ready for the wonderful ride. Here is the current streamed set from my twitch (listed below). If you ever want to see changes in realtime during the stream, jus type in !sliders in the chat.

Please provide feedback as detailed as possible. We need all hands on deck as always. Thank you!

Timestamp: 9/30/2020 | 3:44 PM CST --- Started FIFA 21 OS Community Sliders thread.



FIFA 21 Operation Sports Sliders |||Streamed Version Set||

Explanation of each value listed in Spoilers:

Streamed Version - Work in Progress Set

Spoiler

♦♦♦ Goal: If you played with our FIFA 20 sliders, a lot of what was in Version 3 is applied here in FIFA 21. It's a lot of the same game, with a couple of subtle differences that make for a good experience. Bugs aside (no CPU crossing, central midfielders not tracking back), the game has a solid base that we can work with. The importance is resistance throughout the entire pitch, which should be experienced right away. Some notes are similar, if not the exact same, from FIFA 2.♦♦♦

Sprint - 48/52
► The adjustment of Sprint to be in favor of the CPU is primarily based on their tendency to jockey at random when faced in 1v1 situations down the sidelines or when facing an opposing center-back. This has been a [reported] bug for a while to EA, but still has not been fixed. As a result, we have to keep the CPU in the game, and as a result, Sprint and Acceleration go in favor of the CPU.

Acceleration - 50/51 | 50/52 for Pro and World Class difficulty
► As mentioned in the Sprint section, we have to keep the CPU in the game due to the jockey bug that seems to occur in 1v1 situations. In addition, the slight acceleration discrepancy in the CPU's favor makes it a bit more challenging overall. As the user we will always have the advantage due to the ability to get off the rails of programming (super-cancel for a lot of us), which the CPU does not have.

Shot Error - 70/70
► Really good teams will have variety with their shots on target, but the odd scuffed shot will not be left for just poor quality players - as we want to humanize the CPU here. The combination of shot speed adjusted and GK ability makes for some incredible shooting interactions.

Pass Error - 55/55
► No reason to change this value as it has brought the best balance on the ball between scuffed passes and gorgeous balls over the top. Truly a good way to separate the exceptional players for the rest of the pack.

Shot Speed - 49/49
► This value got a one point increase because it was starting to become noticeable of how often the GK could catch the ball and how shots started to feel softer and softer - especially with such a high shot error at 70. With this return to normal value of 50, the shot variety can stand out.

Pass Speed - 40/40
► Pass speed affects both ground and long ball passes, so just need a small drop here to calm things down - especially when trying to build a good midfield shape.

Injury Freq - 90/90
► Still brings enough variety as before.

Injury Sev - 40/40
► Again, enough variety and nothing so consistent between multiple users at this point.

GK Ability - 40/40
► Need a reactive look to the keeper versus a psychic look that higher values had caused. FIFA's programming is cause and effect, the GK animations are programmed based on the shot animation. We do not want the keeper to start moving as soon as the foot makes contact without even seeing the direction, so this adjustment brings in that sense of just a slight hesitation (and often times reflex) to make some amazing saves - but also more rewarding scoring.

Marking - 78/78
► This along with height will ensure there is less of a gap between the defensive line and midfield. In addition, once marking is raised the overall attitude on the pitch is more aggressive and in anticipation of the ball's movement. It truly "wakes up" the previous stagnant defending players.

Run Frequency - 5/5
► As much as we'd love to play on 50/default run frequency, it just did not make sense when the central midfielders do not track back. Still there is plenty of variety and ball movement.

● The Height, Length, Width (often referred as "HLW") are quite important to consider for each slider set. In the past, we could adjust these values to achieve a lot of the shape we are looking for. However, this year of FIFA 20 in particular is in favor of referring to the team tactics to dominate the HLW more than anything. With that said, this version of the sliders has an aim to get more midfield play and adhere properly to different formations/tactics available.

Height - 100/100
► Such a high number this year. Hoping it's temporary, but for now it is a necessity to get the defensive line and midfield to pay more attention to what is in front of them. The line will still track back when needed of course. If anything, 100 this year, plays like a 70 of previous years.

Length - 46/45
► A very slight discrepancy in favor of the user. This allows the the user's defensive positioning of the midfield to sit just a bit higher to block the forward passing lanes that often resulted in the CPU moving the ball from side-to-side and easily passing to their forward. With this change, they will now to use proper outlets such as pushing all the way to the opposite midfielder or sending a ball over the top - or even playing backwards.

Width - 48/48
► Strength in narrowing the pitch defensively. It keeps every player goal-side as best as possible, with the exception being FBs in a 5-back formation, who stay too wide in that instance. Unfortunately, adjusting for that value can ruin the composition of the set, so it's better to leave as is until FIFA's tactical programming can improve their defending logic.

FB Pos - 5/5
► Allows the fullbacks up the pitch just a bit more, but not so high that they are in constant exposure for counter-attacks and switches over the top. Remember, their positioning is also based highly on team tactics and individual instructions. For example, set your FBs to overlap if you want them to get further up the pitch in the attack.

FT Control - 70/70
► Raised first touch control so they can take just a bit more time to settle the ball before moving on. Of course, exceptional players will stand out more with this value raised - but again, humanizing the players is the goal, so no player is exempt.

[knich1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt10

Changelog & Updates: Timestamp: 10/03/2020 | 10:45 AM CST --- Established a bit more look for a solid set the last couple days. Taking a lot of the FIFA 20, Version 3, set because a lot of similarities are present with FIFA 21. The main focus here is to get more midfield again. I'm genuinely surprised with how different the game is from the beta - it's a bit disappointing. There were a number issues in the beta, but the way the CPU played was vastly different than how it is now. For example, the chipped balls to the midfield are quite route one - so that needed to be addressed. Next, and probably the worst, is the fact the CPU will not cross the ball a lot of the time. I spent the better part of 2 days in trying to isolate the trigger point, but there is nothing in the sliders, controls, difficulty, settings or squad file that fixes this issue. I have fed it back to EA, among with the other big issue, which is something that was apparent in FIFA 20 as well due to 1v1 defending - and that is the midfielders do not track back. As a result, you never get the proper bank in front of the defense, so there's never a sense of building numbers defensively. As a result, no matter what, it's 6 v 4 situations (unless you have a back 5), and it just completely ruins the immersion when you see your two central midfielders and wingers not tracking back - just standing there. This is why some values chosen are significantly different than default - and quite high in respect to any intent of using default values. In the end, it's FIFA. We signed up for this. You knew what you were getting yourself into, didn't you? I know I did. Hope you're ready for the wonderful ride. Here is the current streamed set from my twitch (listed below). If you ever want to see changes in realtime during the stream, jus type in !sliders in the chat. Please provide feedback as detailed as possible. We need all hands on deck as always. Thank you! Timestamp: 9/30/2020 | 3:44 PM CST --- Started FIFA 21 OS Community Sliders thread. FIFA 21 Operation Sports Sliders |||Streamed Version Set|| Explanation of each value listed in Spoilers: Streamed Version - Work in Progress Set Spoiler ♦♦♦ Goal: If you played with our FIFA 20 sliders, a lot of what was in Version 3 is applied here in FIFA 21. It's a lot of the same game, with a couple of subtle differences that make for a good experience. Bugs aside (no CPU crossing, central midfielders not tracking back), the game has a solid base that we can work with. The importance is resistance throughout the entire pitch, which should be experienced right away. Some notes are similar, if not the exact same, from FIFA 2.♦♦♦ Sprint - 48/52 ► The adjustment of Sprint to be in favor of the CPU is primarily based on their tendency to jockey at random when faced in 1v1 situations down the sidelines or when facing an opposing center-back. This has been a [reported] bug for a while to EA, but still has not been fixed. As a result, we have to keep the CPU in the game, and as a result, Sprint and Acceleration go in favor of the CPU. Acceleration - 50/51 | 50/52 for Pro and World Class difficulty ► As mentioned in the Sprint section, we have to keep the CPU in the game due to the jockey bug that seems to occur in 1v1 situations. In addition, the slight acceleration discrepancy in the CPU's favor makes it a bit more challenging overall. As the user we will always have the advantage due to the ability to get off the rails of programming (super-cancel for a lot of us), which the CPU does not have. Shot Error - 70/70 ► Really good teams will have variety with their shots on target, but the odd scuffed shot will not be left for just poor quality players - as we want to humanize the CPU here. The combination of shot speed adjusted and GK ability makes for some incredible shooting interactions. Pass Error - 55/55 ► No reason to change this value as it has brought the best balance on the ball between scuffed passes and gorgeous balls over the top. Truly a good way to separate the exceptional players for the rest of the pack. Shot Speed - 49/49 ► This value got a one point increase because it was starting to become noticeable of how often the GK could catch the ball and how shots started to feel softer and softer - especially with such a high shot error at 70. With this return to normal value of 50, the shot variety can stand out. Pass Speed - 40/40 ► Pass speed affects both ground and long ball passes, so just need a small drop here to calm things down - especially when trying to build a good midfield shape. Injury Freq - 90/90 ► Still brings enough variety as before. Injury Sev - 40/40 ► Again, enough variety and nothing so consistent between multiple users at this point. GK Ability - 40/40 ► Need a reactive look to the keeper versus a psychic look that higher values had caused. FIFA's programming is cause and effect, the GK animations are programmed based on the shot animation. We do not want the keeper to start moving as soon as the foot makes contact without even seeing the direction, so this adjustment brings in that sense of just a slight hesitation (and often times reflex) to make some amazing saves - but also more rewarding scoring. Marking - 78/78 ► This along with height will ensure there is less of a gap between the defensive line and midfield. In addition, once marking is raised the overall attitude on the pitch is more aggressive and in anticipation of the ball's movement. It truly "wakes up" the previous stagnant defending players. Run Frequency - 5/5 ► As much as we'd love to play on 50/default run frequency, it just did not make sense when the central midfielders do not track back. Still there is plenty of variety and ball movement. ● The Height, Length, Width (often referred as "HLW") are quite important to consider for each slider set. In the past, we could adjust these values to achieve a lot of the shape we are looking for. However, this year of FIFA 20 in particular is in favor of referring to the team tactics to dominate the HLW more than anything. With that said, this version of the sliders has an aim to get more midfield play and adhere properly to different formations/tactics available. Height - 100/100 ► Such a high number this year. Hoping it's temporary, but for now it is a necessity to get the defensive line and midfield to pay more attention to what is in front of them. The line will still track back when needed of course. If anything, 100 this year, plays like a 70 of previous years. Length - 46/45 ► A very slight discrepancy in favor of the user. This allows the the user's defensive positioning of the midfield to sit just a bit higher to block the forward passing lanes that often resulted in the CPU moving the ball from side-to-side and easily passing to their forward. With this change, they will now to use proper outlets such as pushing all the way to the opposite midfielder or sending a ball over the top - or even playing backwards. Width - 48/48 ► Strength in narrowing the pitch defensively. It keeps every player goal-side as best as possible, with the exception being FBs in a 5-back formation, who stay too wide in that instance. Unfortunately, adjusting for that value can ruin the composition of the set, so it's better to leave as is until FIFA's tactical programming can improve their defending logic. FB Pos - 5/5 ► Allows the fullbacks up the pitch just a bit more, but not so high that they are in constant exposure for counter-attacks and switches over the top. Remember, their positioning is also based highly on team tactics and individual instructions. For example, set your FBs to overlap if you want them to get further up the pitch in the attack. FT Control - 70/70 ► Raised first touch control so they can take just a bit more time to settle the ball before moving on. Of course, exceptional players will stand out more with this value raised - but again, humanizing the players is the goal, so no player is exempt.

I am not at Legend level...I play professional. Will these sliders work with lower levels?

Do you recommend different controller settings for lower level?

Thanks.

[villabraves]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt10

. The main focus here is to get more midfield again. I'm genuinely surprised with how different the game is from the beta - it's a bit disappointing. There were a number issues in the beta, but the way the CPU played was vastly different than how it is now. For example, the chipped balls to the midfield are quite route one - so that needed to be addressed. Next, and probably the worst, is the fact the CPU will not cross the ball a lot of the time. I spent the better part of 2 days in trying to isolate the trigger point, but there is nothing in the sliders, controls, difficulty, settings or squad file that fixes this issue. I have fed it back to EA, among with the other big issue, which is something that was apparent in FIFA 20 as well due to 1v1 defending - and that is the midfielders do not track back. As a result, you never get the proper bank in front of the defense, so there's never a sense of building numbers defensively. As a result, no matter what, it's 6 v 4 situations (unless you have a back 5), and it just completely ruins the immersion when you see your two central midfielders and wingers not tracking back - just standing there.

I didn’t preorder this year as I wanted to wait and see what comments and observations were like. I’m afraid these two paragraphs here are unfortunately exactly what I expected. I wasn’t invited to try the beta this year and after seeing the positive comments from those who were, my reaction was, we’ll see when the full release comes out if it’s the same and Matt has said right here how different it is yet again. Also, I vented enough about this with 20, taking away teammate AI is simply ridiculous and it is purely for the online FUT crowd for human v human. For offline it is simply a game breaker for me. I know Matt and everyone tried so hard to get this sorted on 20 but you can’t get away from how bad this aspect was, and it’s looking like 21 will be exactly the same. This is the exact reason why EA need to have two different versions of the game, one for the kids online and a proper simulation for those of us who prefer CM and offline play. They earn enough so there should be no reason why they can’t implement this. Dumb teammate AI offline kills the game. Rant over and good luck.




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[Rmiok222]

Quote: Originally Posted by knich1

I am not at Legend level...I play professional. Will these sliders work with lower levels? Do you recommend different controller settings for lower level? Thanks.

Curious as well. This year I’m actually struggling on world class. Giving up about 5 goals per match.


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