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[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Kobe one is tough for me because I think most would agree that in their time with the team Kareem, Magic and Shaq were better. Think a case could at least be made for West too. But Kobe was just with the team for so long, even the other Lakers pretty much consider him that guy. I feel bad dogging him so much because 1.) he was a good player and 2.) I was a huge fan, who wasn’t a huge fan of Penny in the 90’s?…. But to me Penny might be the worst choice. Shaq is the franchises best player by a big margin, Dwight had the best career there by a big margin, and given that Penny wasn’t even there/healthy for very long I wouldn’t even pick him over T-Mac either.

It should be Dwight, Shaq, Penny.

I love Penny. Loved the lil Penny commercials even more, but there are times where I can't quite figure out why it seems he gets more love the more time goes on.

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by ProfessaPackMan

Who made the list? Can’t go wrong with Kidd, Doc or Drazen though.

I think I’d vote Kidd myself.

[dubcity]

Definitely a serious recency bias there. Or they're just straight up trying to cater to certain demo clicks.

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by dubcity

Definitely a serious recency bias there. Or they're just straight up trying to cater to certain demo clicks.

There is by default going to be some degree of recency bias given that 7 of these teams didn’t even exist until the 90s-today.

[DamnYanks2]

Kyle Lowry really? Lol that one I have a real problem with.

It has to be Vince or Derozan. But Vince really made the Raptors cool. So it has to be him.

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[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

There is by default going to be some degree of recency bias given that 7 of these teams didn’t even exist until the 90s-today.

As much as Vince made them cool his exit was also messy. He’s the most talented player to put on a Raptors jersey other than Kahwi, but 2 short playoff runs is the only team success he had there too. To me Vince is instantly who I think of when I picture the Raptors, but admittedly a bit of that is likely simply nostalgia and Vince being arguably my favorite player to ever play.

DeRozan and Lowry are close. But Lowry was there for the ring, obviously, when DeRozan was gone. Lowry in team history is also 2nd in points, 3rd in rebounds, 1st in assists, 1st in steals, and leads team in history in playoff points, rebounds, assists, steals. He has the most All-Star selections in team history, but both Vince and DeRozan top him with 2 All-NBA selections to 1.

The obvious leader in win-shares given he was there longer than DD, Vince, Bosh.. but amount of time with a franchise likely somewhat counts for something in a team specific scenario like this.

Idk that I would vote Lowry over both of them, but I think any of the 3 have a pretty strong case for whatever that’s worth given none of them ever reached that true superstar tier. Vince was probably the closest. But I think for anybody that leans on the teams single championship as a big chunk of this Lowry makes sense.

[jfsolo]

Nope to Kobe, Penny, Dame, and Stockton,

[ggsimmonds]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

As much as Vince made them cool his exit was also messy. He’s the most talented player to put on a Raptors jersey other than Kahwi, but 2 short playoff runs is the only team success he had there too. To me Vince is instantly who I think of when I picture the Raptors, but admittedly a bit of that is likely simply nostalgia and Vince being arguably my favorite player to ever play. DeRozan and Lowry are close. But Lowry was there for the ring, obviously, when DeRozan was gone. Lowry in team history is also 2nd in points, 3rd in rebounds, 1st in assists, 1st in steals, and leads team in history in playoff points, rebounds, assists, steals. He has the most All-Star selections in team history, but both Vince and DeRozan top him with 2 All-NBA selections to 1. The obvious leader in win-shares given he was there longer than DD, Vince, Bosh.. but amount of time with a franchise likely somewhat counts for something in a team specific scenario like this. Idk that I would vote Lowry over both of them, but I think any of the 3 have a pretty strong case for whatever that’s worth given none of them ever reached that true superstar tier. Vince was probably the closest. But I think for anybody that leans on the teams single championship as a big chunk of this Lowry makes sense.

Raptors being a young franchise really takes away from the prestige of any record leader board.

If Lowry was THE guy for the championship run I'd be more inclined to agree with you, but as it is I don't think Lowry on the Raptors will have a lot of staying power. A lot of NBA fans still remember watching Vince's highlights during that Vinsanity run. But 15 years from now I think I'll struggle to remember any Lowry moments. But Vince's in-game highlights plus his dunk contest will always live on.