Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[bhurst99]

Quote: Originally Posted by DrJones

Posada .273/.374/.474, 121 OPS+ Perez .268/.301/.460, 105 OPS+ To reiterate: Posada hit 275 HR, won 4 World Series with the Yankees, was a much better hitter, got eliminated easily on the 1st ballot. An extra 25 HR would've upped his voting percentage from 4 to 75+? By the time Perez becomes eligible, the vast majority of BBWAA voters will be new-school types - no way in hell they're voting for someone with a .300 OBP. Perez will need 400 HR or a prominent role in another WS title to have a chance. Posada has a better chance of reaching Cooperstown via Veterans Committee than Perez does via the writers.

Bad luck by Posada that his first year of eligibility was a completely stacked 2017 list. Check it out:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...hof_2017.shtml

He wouldn't have been among my 10 candidates either that year. That's an absurd field.

I agree he has a chance via the Veterans Committe but he was never known as a great fielding catcher whereas Perez has that reputation with five Gold Gloves.

I guess if Perez plays like more five years and we wait five years for him to become eligible, we can settle this debate in like 10-to-12 years.

[DrJones]

Quote: Originally Posted by bhurst99

Bad luck by Posada that his first year of eligibility was a completely stacked 2017 list. Check it out: https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...hof_2017.shtml He wouldn't have been among my 10 candidates either that year. That's an absurd field. I agree he has a chance via the Veterans Committe but he was never known as a great fielding catcher whereas Perez has that reputation with five Gold Gloves.

Don't think that'll carry much water with the WAR crowd. Perez has zero Fielding Bible Awards (essentially Gold Gloves for stats geeks). BTW the only position player in Cooperstown with a worse OBP than Perez is Bill Mazeroski.

Quote: Originally Posted by bhurst99

I guess if Perez plays like more five years and we wait five years for him to become eligible, we can settle this debate in like 10-to-12 years.

No offence to the fine people of the OS forums, but I kinda hope I'm not still hanging around here in my mid-60s.

[Master Live 013]

Posada is tied for 29th all-time for fWAR among catchers, Perez is, checks notes, 126th. Projections have him earning an additional 1.3fWAR this year, 1.0fWAR next year and 0.3 in 2026.


I will go on a limb and say Salvador won't get in through the regular process, if at all.

[Sportsforever]

I have never thought of Salvy as a future HOF, but last Sunday on baseball tonight Buster Olney called him “future HOF” Salvador Perez…that really surprised me. Who knows?


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[Speedy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sportsforever

I have never thought of Salvy as a future HOF, but last Sunday on baseball tonight Buster Olney called him “future HOF” Salvador Perez…that really surprised me. Who knows? Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

The hall has no meaning to me without Andruw.

Rose colored glasses or not, it's crazy the best defensive CF ever can't get in.

[DrJones]

Quote: Originally Posted by Speedy

The hall has no meaning to me without Andruw. Rose colored glasses or not, it's crazy the best defensive CF ever can't get in.

Andruw's getting in.

BBWAA votes in 2019: 7.5%
2020: 19.4%
2021: 33.4%
2022: 41.4%
2023: 58.1%
2024: 61.6%

Here's the competition that Andruw faces before he falls off the ballot:

2025 top candidates: Ichiro Suzuki (1st year on ballot), CC Sabathia (1st), Billy Wagner (10th, 73.8%), Andruw Jones (8th, 61.6%), Carlos Beltran (57.1%)

2026 top candidates: nobody, except whoever didn't make it in 2025 (minus Wagner)

2027: Buster Posey (1st), plus whoever didn't make it in 2026

I'd be really surprised if all 6 of these players aren't in by 2027. Chase Utley will also probably make it, but later.

[dubcity]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sportsforever

I have never thought of Salvy as a future HOF, but last Sunday on baseball tonight Buster Olney called him “future HOF” Salvador Perez…that really surprised me. Who knows? Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports

He definitely has a pretty good resume as a catcher. Silver sluggers and gold gloves. It adds up to a good case.

[Ghost Of The Year]

Perez still needs a few more great not average years to get ahead of guys like Darrell Porter, Jason Kendall, Gene Tenace, Jim Sundberg, guys who were really good but probably never getting inducted. Perez is still behind his contemporary current players Russell Martin, Realmuto, Molina and Posey. If Molina and Posey get in (and Molina would seem a certain lock) I don't know if a third from this era gets in.