Lakers still a tier one team online.

[Real2KInsider]

Reasons to NOT use DRTG as an indicator of defensive ability:

This was 2008. Congrats on arriving 14 years late.
You're using a statistic you don't understand, in an improper context.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by AIRJ23

The clippers may have had more “depth” (lmao) but they didn’t have “96 OVR” LeBron James.

What they did have was an entire team of 78-80 OVR guys, while the Lakers were playing guys in the 70-74 range (non-rotation players) big minutes all year.

What the Clippers did in the absence of PG did was phenomenal coaching. We saw other teams with more talent (Blazers w/ Dame/CJ/Nurkic, Pacers w/ Sabonis/Brogdon/Turner, Kings w/ Fox/Haliburton/Barnes) fall by the wayside.

We also saw the Suns and Grizzlies not miss a beat when their star PG got hurt. We saw the Nuggets play well w/o Murray/Porter all year. Those teams were able to do that because they don't have 10 G-League caliber guys on their roster.

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Or a former MVP in Russell Westbrook who had a great second half of last season.

What does LAST season have to do with THIS season? Tell me about his 2nd half from THIS year lol.
The straw grasping is impeccable.

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You seriously don’t think you can get LeBron to a 92? You can simply plummet his intangibles.

...Which is reducing which aspect of his on-court ability? Lmao. You don't even know what you're arguing about at this point. You just have a narcissistic need to be "right", and you aren't smart enough to execute it.

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LeBron blew more clutch moments this year than anyone in NBA history has in a season.

Lol. Uh huh.

For someone purporting that any "objective" expert would agree with you, you spew a lot of hyperbolic nonsense. Perhaps you should look up the word.

Objective
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

This ain't you.

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a guy with 5HOFers on the team

Imagine having the audacity to shoe-horn 37-year old Carmelo Anthony and 36-year old Dwight Howard as a reason to drop LBJ's rating. Only one of the Lakers HOFers played like a HOFer in 2022. The one whose name you can't get out of your mouth.

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The lakers were 25-31 with LeBron on the floor. So they were losing with and without him. That’s not a 96 OVR player.

A 90-92 OVR LeBron wouldn't affect the Lakers 2K tier ranking (because they ALSO have Anthony Davis).

A 90 OVR player surrounded by 70-74 players isn't a playoff team in 2022. Maybe in your beloved 1962.

[AIRJ23]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

Yes, 380ish in the league if you went to NBA.com and filtered the defensive rating….Yikes. This is how you’re getting your info? This would also tell you Sekou Doumbouya and his 2 games played is the best defender of in the league. Just a hint in case you run into this argument again, the leagues average player defensive rating is in the 111’s

I actually don’t think DRTG is a barometer for how well a player plays defense. The eye test, the “players seeking him out cause he’s easy to score on” test, and the team record and +/- test already tell us 2022 LeBron is more accurately in the 50’s or 60’s defensively than the high 80’s (lol). And again, a gold “defensive leader” badge is beyond comical as is 16 defensive badges. But I used his DRTG rating since it’s used often by “casuals” and even that rating doesn’t indicate anywhere near justifying his defensive attributes in the game.

Quote: Originally Posted by Real2KInsider

What they did have was an entire team of 78-80 OVR guys, while the Lakers were playing guys in the 70-74 range (non-rotation players) big minutes all year. What the Clippers did in the absence of PG did was phenomenal coaching. We saw other teams with more talent (Blazers w/ Dame/CJ/Nurkic, Pacers w/ Sabonis/Brogdon/Turner, Kings w/ Fox/Haliburton/Barnes) fall by the wayside. We also saw the Suns and Grizzlies not miss a beat when their star PG got hurt. We saw the Nuggets play well w/o Murray/Porter all year. Those teams were able to do that because they don't have 10 G-League caliber guys on their roster. What does LAST season have to do with THIS season? Tell me about his 2nd half from THIS year lol. The straw grasping is impeccable. ...Which is reducing which aspect of his on-court ability? Lmao. You don't even know what you're arguing about at this point. You just have a narcissistic need to be "right", and you aren't smart enough to execute it. Lol. Uh huh. For someone purporting that any "objective" expert would agree with you, you spew a lot of hyperbolic nonsense. Perhaps you should look up the word. Objective (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. This ain't you. Imagine having the audacity to shoe-horn 37-year old Carmelo Anthony and 36-year old Dwight Howard as a reason to drop LBJ's rating. Only one of the Lakers HOFers played like a HOFer in 2022. The one whose name you can't get out of your mouth. A 90-92 OVR LeBron wouldn't affect the Lakers 2K tier ranking (because they ALSO have Anthony Davis). A 90 OVR player surrounded by 70-74 players isn't a playoff team in 2022. Maybe in your beloved 1962.

Hmm. Maybe he’s surrounded by those ratings because he’s playing in his own zone taking 22 shots, throwing up goofy logo threes when the game is on the line, missing clutch shots (which means taking clutch shots) at unprecedented level, and boasting about 30PPG in a year where he led his team out of the play ins. Where did Russ start this year at? 89-90 OVR? What a coincidence all these players saw their OVR’s plummet as they teamed up with a guy shooting the most shots of his career and “chasing Kareem,” trying to make us believe said offensive output was necessary for him team to do well (instead of switching out his strategy when realizing his scoring and incessant shooting wasn’t tied to wins and was destroying team chemistry and player morale. But hey, he couldn’t catch Karl Malone in pointless accumulated stat lists this year that way.

Their last full game AD and Bron played looked like 3 teams playing. Bron doing his Bron thing trying to go for 40 points. AD refusing to let himself be a sidekick as he recalls the game they played before he got injured where Bron took 16 shots in the fourth quarter and AD took maybe 1 (AD was having a great game before that btw, and LeBron missed most of those 16 shots, once again losing it in the clutch), so he was playing his own game. Then the rest of the team literally not even touching the ball in meaningful ways. Of course their OVR’s will plummet. But they plummeted as his teammates. The team entered the season with higher OVR’s. Funny how that works.

And I already said AD should be an 89 generously this year. And I’m not saying turn Bron’s defensive badges so bronze. I’m saying m most should be removed entirely. And I’ve tweaked enough ratings to guarantee you I can get his ratings down to 92 by using defense/badge/intangibles adjustments. Easy work.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by AIRJ23

Where did Russ start this year at? 89-90 OVR?

If only Russ wasn't basura when LeBron was out of the lineup.

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What a coincidence all these players saw their OVR’s plummet as they teamed up with a guy shooting the most shots of his career and “chasing Kareem

None of these players got worse. Lol what are you on right now

Malik Monk had a career year.
Stanley Johnson scrubbed out of the league and became an NBA player next to LeBron.
Austin Reaves was undrafted and played 1400 minutes.
Wenyen Gabriel had the most productive stretch of his career by far.

They had too much fringe talent like Avery Bradley, Kent Bazemore, Wayne Ellington, Trevor Ariza, etc. These players largely didn't get worse, and certainly not in a way connected to LeBron's performance.

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Of course their OVR’s will plummet. But they plummeted as his teammates. The team entered the season with higher OVR’s. Funny how that works.

Oh?

Laker Ratings since 2K launch
96 LeBron (NC)
92 Davis (NC)
79 Melo (+1)
78 Westbrook (-8)
78 Howard (NC)
78 Nunn (NC)
76 Monk (+2)
74 Reaves (+6)
74 Johnson (+2)
74 Horton-Tucker (-2)
74 Bazemore (-2)
73 Augustin (NC)
73 Jones (NC)
72 Bradley (NC)
72 Ellington (-3)
70 Gabriel (NC)
67 McClung (NC)

Funny how that worked.

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And I’m not saying turn Bron’s defensive badges so bronze. I’m saying m most should be removed entirely. And I’ve tweaked enough ratings to guarantee you I can get his ratings down to 92 by using defense/badge/intangibles adjustments. Easy work.

Don't tell me, show me. "Easy work" indeed.

[AIRJ23]

Quote: Originally Posted by Real2KInsider

If only Russ wasn't basura when LeBron was out of the lineup. None of these players got worse. Lol what are you on right now Malik Monk had a career year. Stanley Johnson scrubbed out of the league and became an NBA player next to LeBron. Austin Reaves was undrafted and played 1400 minutes. Wenyen Gabriel had the most productive stretch of his career by far. They had too much fringe talent like Avery Bradley, Kent Bazemore, Wayne Ellington, Trevor Ariza, etc. These players largely didn't get worse, and certainly not in a way connected to LeBron's performance. Oh? Laker Ratings since 2K launch 96 LeBron (NC) 92 Davis (NC) 79 Melo (+1) 78 Westbrook (-8) 78 Howard (NC) 78 Nunn (NC) 76 Monk (+2) 74 Reaves (+6) 74 Johnson (+2) 74 Horton-Tucker (-2) 74 Bazemore (-2) 73 Augustin (NC) 73 Jones (NC) 72 Bradley (NC) 72 Ellington (-3) 70 Gabriel (NC) 67 McClung (NC) Funny how that worked. Don't tell me, show me. "Easy work" indeed.

Westbrook averaged 22, 8 and 8 and without LeBron. THT had a 40 point game without LeBron. Reeves just dropped over 30 without LeBron. The lakers literally won as many games in the last 4 days without LeBron as they had since all star break with him LMAO.

I’m shocked the team flopped when he’s taking 22 shots a game, bricking historic clutch shots he could be facilitating to teammates, and going ISO every single time down court (on offense, since he doesn’t show up for defense). Shocked.

[dnikafoeno]

Quote: Originally Posted by AIRJ23

Westbrook averaged 22, 8 and 8 and without LeBron. THT had a 40 point game without LeBron. Reeves just dropped over 30 without LeBron. The lakers literally won as many games in the last 4 days without LeBron as they had since all star break with him LMAO. I’m shocked the team flopped when he’s taking 22 shots a game, bricking historic clutch shots he could be facilitating to teammates, and going ISO every single time down court (on offense, since he doesn’t show up for defense). Shocked.

Man you would swear Skip Bayless is definitely behind this account. Lol.

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by dnikafoeno

Man you would swear Skip Bayless is definitely behind this account. Lol.

Skip is actually very smart, the problems occur when people mistake his entertainment for analysis.

Skip would be able to grasp how Usage works, and also knows young players typically put up big lines in the last few games when teams have stopped trying.

Quote: Originally Posted by AIRJ23

Westbrook averaged 22, 8 and 8 and without LeBron.

What was the team's record? Sounds like he stat padded his way to a bunch of losses
(You forgot his SIX turnovers per game and middling shooting).

Objective
(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.


And as far as Isolations...

[AIRJ23]

Quote: Originally Posted by dnikafoeno

Man you would swear Skip Bayless is definitely behind this account. Lol.

Maybe. Cause Skip did predict exactly how this year would go down, just as I did when watching how LeBron was “leading” the team and refusing to give up ball dominance after begging for a Westbrook trade.

Which is odd. If all these casual fans knew that this roster wouldn’t work if LeBron didn’t cede the ball to Russ (because anyone with ball IQ knows Russ isn’t a dynamic enough player to morph his game around a different system than he’s used to) then how could Bron miss such common logic. Russ is the stat pad king. And LeBron never played more stat pad heavy than he did this year.

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Skip is actually very smart, the problems occur when people mistake his entertainment for analysis. Skip would be able to grasp how Usage works, and also knows young players typically put up big lines in the last few games when teams have stopped trying. What was the team's record? Sounds like he stat padded his way to a bunch of losses (You forgot his SIX turnovers per game and middling shooting). Objective (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. And as far as Isolations...

The team’s record is as not much worse than it was with LeBron on the court. Losing records both ways. Surely you would imagine a 96 OVR player should have a *substantially* better record when on the court.

And lmao at a team with 3 players who started the year above 90, one of them playing nearly every game but seeing his rating drop due to the above, “not being enough to be a playoff team in 2022. Clippers made playoffs with zero players even in the 80’s this entire year. Literal G league roster. What a competitive conference of which King James couldn’t wrangle his team into play Ins. The Spurs who’s fourth highest rating is a 76 made it. Yes, the Lakers competition; so stacked and elite.

The excuses would work if they actually won with AD, Bron and Russ on the court. But they didn’t. They just won more games without any of them in a row than they had in months. Lakers ended the season with 2 straight wins with the help dropping 40 and then 30. But go on telling me how LeBron “needed” to shoot 22 a game because it was pivotal to win…. And not pivotal to chase personal accumulations that “Goat Malone” racked up in the same amount of years (after going to college for 4 years).

Remember Bron/AD/Russ lost EVERY game in preseason. Like as in they played in every game together, and didn’t even win 1.

But yeah. King didn’t have enough help to make play in. King needed to shoot 22 shots a game. King’s help was scrubs who don’t deserve to be in the NBA. Kings teammates only scored 40 and 31 to win 2 straight games without him were a fluke. King deserves an 89 perimeter defense rating and a gold “defensive leader” badge because his teams defense was so elite as was his effort down the court every play.

Lol. Y’all can call me skip but you’re no different than any other LeBron stans who are so married to a legacy that you see through crown colored glasses, that you make excuse after excuse of which aren’t rooted in reality, and easily debunked.

Oh, and LeBron and Russ averaged about the same turnovers this year. And LeBron is the all time leader in T.O’s. And you couldn’t count the amount of times Bron turned the ball over in pivotal moments this year on 4 hands.