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Suh to get Fined ... for a Push
Ndamukong Suh of Detroit Lions fined $15,000 for hit on Jay Cutler - ESPN
The NFL is getting friggin ridiculous with all these fines. Suh is just displaying how strong he is on that play. He pretty much pushes Jay to the ground and gets flagged for it. If thats illegal, then the NFL has pretty much called it quits and I'll follow suit shortly.. F%#@ the NFL
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12-08-2010, 03:40 PM | #2 |
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I agree that the fine is ridiculous, but do you really need a new thread for this?
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12-08-2010, 03:46 PM | #4 |
This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off.
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Probably in the weekly NFL thread.
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12-08-2010, 03:51 PM | #5 |
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Just...wow.
I understood the call on the field. It was a BAD call, but at full speed, it looked a lot worse than it was. The fact that the NFL viewed the replay of this (where it quite clearly showed it was nowhere near an illegal hit) and decided to fine Suh is absurd. |
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12-08-2010, 05:43 PM | #7 |
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So now a push in the back of a runner (not a QB) is a non football act? Wow.
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12-08-2010, 06:07 PM | #8 |
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He should hire a lawyer and Suh the NFL to get the money back.
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12-08-2010, 06:40 PM | #9 |
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12-08-2010, 06:42 PM | #10 |
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Can see both sides, honestly.
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12-08-2010, 06:46 PM | #11 |
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No way that should have been a penalty or a fine. Ridiculous.
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12-08-2010, 07:18 PM | #12 |
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His problem is that he's so freakishly strong that it made the hit look much worse than it was. The league has made it clear that they don't want their pretty white quarterbacks getting hit in any form.
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12-08-2010, 07:35 PM | #13 | |
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(plays devil's advocate) So you are saying that the league doesn't have the same kind of issues with black QBs?
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12-08-2010, 07:39 PM | #14 |
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The penalty was a bad call, though watching in real time you can see where they could make a mistake. It looked so violent. But watching any replay of the push, it's clearly not a penalty and definitely not suspension worthy. Shoving too hard to make a tackle? Really?
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12-08-2010, 07:50 PM | #15 |
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He touched a QB. He's lucky he doesn't get banned for such an act. Clearly despicable. (Clearly sarcastic.)
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12-08-2010, 07:57 PM | #16 | |
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I think they are more concerned with pretty boy QB's they see as (potential) "green". To be honest though, I had to look at the stats to see how many black QB's were even getting playing time in the NFL at the moment. I could name two off the top of my head, & only one of those is a fairly easy call as to marketability. The others I would have had to think for a while to come up with, which says something about their current promotional value I think. I believe it's about the green, but as hard as I am typically about the playing of the race card, I could see where someone might draw a bit of a racial conclusion about it if they were so inclined.
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12-08-2010, 08:13 PM | #17 |
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Looking at the replay, I would think that if Suh could have wrapped Cutler up, his momentum would have had him riding Cutler to the ground. As painful as impacting the turf appeared to be, there'd be more risk of injury to Cutler if Suh landed on him, right?
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12-08-2010, 08:24 PM | #18 | |
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What's baffling in the run of fines is how if you look at them together Andre Johnson only got 25k.
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12-08-2010, 08:56 PM | #19 |
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So throwing an elbow to the back of his head is okay?
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12-08-2010, 09:07 PM | #20 |
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12-08-2010, 09:12 PM | #21 |
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Looked like an elbow to me as well.
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If someone wanted to argue race, I guess they could. Quarterback is mostly a white position and the rules are extremely strict. Can't hit them low, can't hit them high, can't throw them down, and so on. While a skill position such as WR or RB don't exactly have that kind of protection and take much more ferocious hits on an almost play-by-play basis. I would be interested in seeing what quarterbacks have gotten the most roughing calls. I have a feeling that we'd see Brady and Manning awfully high on that list. Last edited by RainMaker : 12-08-2010 at 09:35 PM. |
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12-08-2010, 09:38 PM | #23 | |
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Brady and Manning don't get hit enough to get that many roughing calls I would say.
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12-08-2010, 09:55 PM | #25 |
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After watching the video slowed down in VLC, I am pretty certain that Suh does not elbow Cutler. But he does appear to give a straight arm to the back to Cutler's head (either initially or his hand rides up Cuter's back, I can't tell).
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12-08-2010, 10:26 PM | #26 | |
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It only looks like an elbow in real time which is why the flag was thrown. Why the fine happened is a lot more perplexing.
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12-08-2010, 10:41 PM | #27 | |
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It's still a blow to the back of the head.
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12-09-2010, 12:21 AM | #28 |
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Quick fix for the NFL game. Make a weight limit for each position.
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12-09-2010, 01:32 AM | #29 |
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I think overall, the NFL got this right. Suh should have been penalized. It appears that he hit Cutler in the head. The official just called it incorrectly, probably due to what he saw in real time.
The NFL was also correct in giving him a fine for the blow to the head. If the picture above is also what the NFL saw, it just would have been nice if the NFL had issued a statement to clear it up. From the NFL rulebook: "A defensive player may not contact an opponent above the shoulders with the palm of his hand except to ward him off on the line." |
12-09-2010, 01:40 AM | #30 |
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My other suggestion for the NFL. How about going to the college review system and using it for these kind of penalties too? It's impossible to tell at regular speed what the intention and where the actual hit took place. So why not let a replay booth observe it and send a message down to the official that says "that was a hit to the head" or "he actually hit his shoulder". Just have a feeling one of these calls is going to decide a playoff game this year.
And of course use the college system everywhere. Just have a licensed official in the booth (I'm sure they can afford this) who will make the reverse calls when need be. No more 5 minute delay to look under the hood. |
12-09-2010, 01:43 AM | #31 |
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Overall, I think the NFL review system is a joke. It is baffling to me that in 2010 the referee still has to run over to review a play personally. It seems to me that the college system in general is more effective (this coming from a NFL fan that maybe watches 10 college games a year).
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12-09-2010, 01:44 AM | #32 |
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I wonder if commercials play a role in this. Seems they get a couple extra commercial breaks in during these reviews.
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12-09-2010, 01:48 AM | #33 |
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I'd also go even farther on the official upstairs idea and say they should be mic'd in with the head official on the field and can help with spotting or lateral issues. Not saying they have to make the call or anything, but give officials a little help when a player is down.
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12-09-2010, 05:28 AM | #34 | |
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Max limit for a "fight" per the CBA is $25K. I think this is the only specified foul, the other's are the league discretion. Richard Seymour received the same fine for his "fight" with Roethlisberger. Now, the fact Johnson was not suspended for a game, I agree with you is pretty silly.
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12-09-2010, 09:02 AM | #35 |
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Yeah definitely looks like Cutler got, at the minimum, hit in the back of the head. Really no need for it. I can see the fine, but I can also see how it looks worse than it is at first glance.
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