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Originally Posted by weegeebored
You can't draw any conclusions about Fields by comparing him to that sad lot of QBs. Do people really think that Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, or Jackson would look as bad on the same team? Doubtful. All those guys have more talent. In fact, I would argue that Bagent looked better than Fields in running the Bears offense. The problem is arm strength -- Bagent doesn't have much. People always mention the Bears offensive line problems. The line wasn't great but it was at least average. Fields' pocket time was 2.8 seconds, nearly the highest in the league. And his time-to-throw was the highest @3.23. Let's also not forget Fields' slow drop-back time. He waits too long for plays to develop because he can't throw his receivers open -- he doesn't anticipate well.
Fields' supporters are going to use the five Geno Smith reasons as evidence that he's a good QB and it was the team that was the problem. That's simply just being blinded by some unwavering fantasy that Fields is a winning NFL starting QB even in the face of statistical and visual evidence to the contrary.
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So you are saying I can't draw conclusions from comparing him to Bears quarterbacks who played in the same system that he did but you can draw conclusions based on comparisons to quarterbacks who in different systems with arguably better coaching that have in part allowed them to become
A 2x NFL MVP and 3x SB MVP
Another 2x NFL MVP
A QB who led his team to an AFC title with a Jamarr Chase, Tee Higgins, Joe Mixon and others on the team.
Justin Herbert
You will get no argument from me. Justin Fields is not better than any of those QBs above. I see no evidence that he will ever be at this point. Justin Fields was not a perfect QB who was destroyed by the dysfunction that was the Bears over the last few years. Justin Fields has flaws that he needs to work on and he listen to proper coaching to help him to that. Even with all that Justin Fields may be an absolute bust as an NFL QB
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I don't think that anyone believes that dropping any of those QBs you mentioned as rookies into the 2021-2024 Bears would have been good for their development and would have allowed them to succeed at the same rate regardless of their talent. As we can see neither do the Bears because they are not doing the same thing all over again. I do think Justin Fields would be further along in his development if he had the opportunity to sit behind an Alex Smith for a year while being under the tutelage of Andy Reid, or be under the same HC/OC combo while being surrounded by the talent I listed above or even having the team doc stabbed the starter in the chest and take over an offense with a Keenan Allen (where did he just go?), a Mike Williams and a Austin Ekeler. I don't think it is ridiculous to think that if he gets better coaching and works on his flaws, Fields has the opportunity to back up an Eli Manning, then back up a Phillip Rivers, back up a Russell Wilson before getting his another shot and winning the Comeback Player of the Year. I just saw this happened with another quarterback that we all had completely drawn all the conclusions about after he left the Jets.